Episode 101: Willingness to Change: A Turning Point for Life & Business

Sometimes the biggest breakthroughs in life come when we’re finally willing to do something different. In this episode of Babies and Business, Avram and Rachel dive deep into the power of willingness to change and how it can completely reshape the way we experience relationships, success, and even our own self-worth. Rachel shares a personal story of walking away from a marriage that no longer aligned with her values, recognizing repeating patterns, and learning how to step into a new reality by making opposite choices from what she had always done.

Together, they explore what it means to stop reacting on autopilot, face the discomfort of growth, and lean into opportunities that feel unfamiliar but necessary. If you’ve ever felt stuck, controlled by your circumstances, or afraid of the unknown, this conversation is an invitation to see what’s possible when you choose courage over comfort.

Show Notes

Key Highlights from this Episode:

• How one simple shift in perspective can unlock new possibilities in every area of life.
• Rachel’s powerful story of leaving her first marriage and breaking free from old patterns.
• How the willingness to change can transform your relationships, finances, and self-worth.
• The surprising lesson Rachel learned by choosing the opposite of what her intuition told her.
• What it means to “receive” love, abundance, and opportunities even when it feels uncomfortable.
• How Avram connects fitness breakthroughs to life breakthroughs (and why sweat is a symbol of growth).
• The role of critical moments and courageous decisions in shaping a new reality.
• Why saying yes to small steps can lead to big transformation.

Mentions & Resources

• The Big Leap by Gay Hendricks – A book that explains the “upper limit problem” and how to move past self-imposed barriers to create lasting success.
• Genesis Event – A transformational program Avram and Rachel attended that helps shift limiting beliefs and accelerate personal growth.

Episode Transcription

Below you will find a transcript of this entire podcast episode. Enjoy!

 Avram: I used to say this thing to Rachel early on when we met. She’s gonna giggle about it after I say it. I used to tell her, I was like, Rachel, that which you are unwilling to be will control you. And you were like,

Rachel: Okay, Yoda.

Avram: yeah, yeah. What does that mean, dude? What does that mean? Well, that’s what today’s podcast is all about.

I think that if you take hold of the information that we’re gonna share with you and get even just a sliver of what we’re trying to communicate, it can unlock totally different realities for you.

Rachel: Yeah.

Avram: And Rachel’s got a really powerful story that we’re gonna share with you today about how she completely transformed her life with a new mantra, a new way of approaching things and looking at things. She found herself at a place in her life that she did not want to be,

Rachel: Yep.

Avram: And I’m gonna ask her some questions to find out how she changed it. The premise here really is that if there’s something that you want in life that you don’t have, it’s your willingness to be and do something different that will allow you to have it.

Rachel: Yes.

Avram: Take us back. I know that you have shared this with folks on the podcast some time ago. This is, this is a long time ago, and I think the way that we shared it was like, this is how we met. Cute story, but there’s powerful lessons in here. So share with our listeners where you were at in like your mindset before we met. You know, this is the tail end of your first marriage.

Rachel: Yeah, I mean, right at the tail end I was holding down three jobs, hardly sleeping, barely able to pay the bills that we had. My ex had gotten fired from the railroad, was not looking for a job. And like I said, I was working three jobs and I remember my brother, my youngest brother Walker calling me and saying, Hey, you should come to New Mexico and join me.

You can knock doors with me for solar and it’s really good money and you know, come on down. My, boss would love to have you. And that was on a Friday and I, that coming Monday was in New Mexico. I drove down

Avram: Yeah, she skipped a lot of important parts.

Rachel: It’s true, but we’re setting the stage for where I was and I went down to New Mexico. So I went to New Mexico and I was not leaving Montana, which is where I, I came from. I grew up here in New Mexico, but I came back with no intention of divorcing my now ex, but I came back with the hope of making money, changing up my situation.

 And then the longer I stayed here, so I was staying with my brother Walker actually, and his family. He had one son and one on the way. And at this point in my previous marriage, I was like eight years in and, uh.

Avram: He promised you kids.

Rachel: He told me at the beginning of the relationship that he was going to, he was willing to have children with me, not even just willing that we were going to have children.

He had a vasectomy and we were going to get a vasectomy reversal done. We’d already put money away into savings for this to this end, and it wasn’t six months in and he told me that he had taken the money that we had saved and bought a motorcycle, and that was six months in. I stayed with him seven and a half years later than that.

Beyond that time trying to come to terms with the fact that I would never have children, but I wanted children so desperately in my life. So when I came to New Mexico, I just thought, you know, something’s gotta give and I’m the one having a job. I’m the one actually working to support my family. So I am going to New Mexico and I am going to do what it takes to make the money.

So I did not ask my ex, I just came to New Mexico. So living in this situation with my brother living at his house in one of his rooms. I got to see the joy of having children, and it just became really apparent to me that that was a deal breaker for me. And I then let my ex know, I am proceeding with a divorce.

I want to divorce you. And well, I actually went back to Montana and I gave him an ultimatum. I said, you’re gonna find a job. You’re gonna actually get the vasectomy reversal, and you’re gonna do all this in six months, or I am done. If you want to keep me, this is the requirement.

 I felt like I needed to give him the option to opt in and say, yes, I’ll change. Yes, I’ll do this. But in my body, I was just feeling this pit in my stomach, like, oh, but what if he says yes? What if he actually follows through? And what if I am married to him? What if I do have children with him?

And I just remember, we had gone to like Barnes and Nobles right before I got on t
he plane to go back to New Mexico and I just felt peace wash over me knowing that this wasn’t going to work and he was going to choose the opposite, the things that he had already, always and already had chosen. And I went back to New Mexico and, the rest is history because I did get a divorce.

 And I do have two beautiful children now, but that was to set the scene of what caused that change. And then there’s more.

Avram: Yeah, I think an interesting thing that happened after that, ’cause now I know the story is when you did open yourself back up to relationship, you know, ’cause you came down here looking for different things and another relationship was not like first on the radar.

Rachel: Oh, I think that was the last on the list.

Avram: But you did get into another one

Rachel: I did.

Avram: Yeah. You said it just reminded you so much of where you had been.

Rachel: I stopped it so quickly because it was so, so similar. I stood up for myself and I got out of it, so.

Avram: And it was on the other side of that experience that you started asking yourself. Something different.

Rachel: when I got into that relationship, I was like, I did it again. I got the very same thing that I had before. And the thing that had occurred to me was, you know, growing up. Seven sisters, my mom is telling us, you know, you don’t want to be the wife that goes back to an abuser because the third time they’re gonna kill you.

You know, the first time you think, oh, well I did something and, you know, maybe he was mad at me and I, I caused that thing. And you have all these excuses for going back to this abuser and the third time he is actually going to hurt you enough that he will kill you. So, um, being raised by a mom that was like, you know, don’t be that person. Stand up for yourself. And I heard this in my head, I, I’ve heard it over the years, and that is, if you always do what you’ve always done, you will always get what you’ve always gotten. So here I am in this relationship that is pretty much the same carbon copy of what I was in previously, except for that there was no promise of children.

 There were certain circumstances that were different, but the way he treated me was very similar. I chose to get out of it, and I remember being with my ex and having the thought. Is it too much to ask to be with someone that treats me the way I treat people? And then the questions continued and it morphed into, well, if you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you’ve always gotten.

So then I had this hypothesis. I said, okay, so my intuition and my choices have gotten me here. I take responsibility for that. I’m gonna stand in that responsibility. What can I do next to have a different reality come about for me? And I chose to do the opposite from what I’ve always felt I should do.

Avram: So that’s interesting. I wanna stop you there really quick. It’s pretty interesting because a lot of people have been taught that. I’m just gonna say it ’cause it’ll bring up stuff for people. God’s got the answers. Your intuition’s got the answers right. Your higher self has the answers. But what we don’t realize is that when we’re human beings in a body, it is really difficult to hear from the source, the information that you’re seeking and not filter it through all of your prejudices and points of view.

Rachel: Yeah.

Avram: So what you hear is your intuition, and I’ll, I’ll say it, you know, God’s voice can often be influenced by your own personal bias. So you recognized

Rachel: and I, I experienced that in my life. So yes, I recognized,

Avram: that your picker was not working.

Rachel: I recognized that I was the common denominator in getting what I had had in my life to abusive men.

Avram: So you’re like, I couldn’t have gotten a worse result, really. So if I do the opposite, it could work out.

Rachel: absolutely. Absolutely. So it went so far as like, so shortly thereafter, or maybe I had met you at this point.

Avram: Okay.

Rachel: And I remember later on, so I had this friend that I was living with, so I was no longer living with my brother. I was living with another friend and she really helped me really live into the, do the opposite ’cause she was a good influence for the opposite.

 But bless her, she helped me so much. She pushed me to go to different networking events. The one that I met you at was because of her and then the one that I saw you again at was because of her. She’s like, Hey, are you coming to this event? I was like, no, I don’t want to. And she’s like, Avram’s here, you should come. That got me to get down there, and I remember. So regardless of all the other circumstances around this time at this networking event, I was leaving and you called after me. He was at a restaurant called 1933. It no longer exists, but I was right outside the door and we were blocking, we were kind of blocking the entrance in a way, but you were standing so close to me.

But it didn’t feel uncomfortable. It didn’t feel like you were like. Uh, oppressive or over me or anything. But you were holding my hands, both of my hands about, uh, chest height and you were just looking me straight in the eye and we were just having this conversation and I was just broken up, um, about the fact that my ex hadn’t chosen me and that my marriage was gone and it was like eight years down the drain really?

And, but the biggest thing was that he hadn’t chosen me. And in that moment you said. He may not have chosen you, but I’m choosing you right now, and you may not be my forever person, and I may not be your forever person, but I’m choosing you right now. That was a huge turning point for me because I went away from that conversation and all I heard was that.

I had met someone that treated me in all the small interactions that we had had together, that treated me the way that I treat people and that I wanted more time with you. And I actually went, um, I went home or I was, uh, wherever I was, and I recorded this voice message to you on Voxer and it was basically saying, you know, I may not be your forever person right now, but I am choosing you and uh, something like, I will take one second. What one moment I was holding back at that time in like stepping forward and actually wanting a relationship with you because I didn’t have a promise of eternity. I grew up Mormon and I grew up that a marriage should be for eternity, and it needs to last forever and all these things.

And I made it mean something, but I wasn’t willing to really step forward and say, no, I’ll take this moment. I’ll take this second. I’ll take whatever time I can get from you. And, it was shortly after that that we actually got into a relationship.

Avram: Yeah. Yeah.

Rachel: But it was because I stepped forward and I, I called you on the, I’m not your forever person and you’re not my forever person.

I recognized that that power to change that was within me because I was choosing to hold back. And not step forward and say, this is something that I want, and I’m willing to change my reality, and I’m willing to step up and step, step into a different reality that I don’t even know what’s possible. I, I took steps for like two years after that that I didn’t even know where my foot would land, but I was following you in, you know?

Avram: You along the way. You, you broke a lot of the sacred vows of religion. Like this is a big sticking point for a lot of folks. Right? And it’s not saying that you need to like, do

Rachel: No, but this was my journey.

Avram: This is the journey, right. And th
e lesson is still there. Right? You were willing to break the vow of eternity

Rachel: Yep,

Avram: to have something different.

Rachel: yep.

Avram: That took a lot of courage.

Rachel: Yeah,

Avram: Right? And And not every single one of your choices that you made was quite as big,

Rachel: no, of course

Avram: as that, right? But imagine if you hadn’t have been willing. None of this life that we’ve created together would’ve happened. We wouldn’t be here recording the podcast. We wouldn’t have these two little boys.

We wouldn’t have a business. All these things.

Rachel: it was just for me, it was me being willing to say. I am willing to be wrong. I know that I, my choices got me to where I am. I don’t want to be where I am, and I got to see my hypothesis live out to get me a different reality. I am with you, and you treat me better than I’ve ever been treated my entire life.

Avram: Yeah. Yeah.

Rachel: There was a time in my life that I could not imagine a person like that. I hoped that there was someone out there and I asked for it, but I helped make it a reality because I chose to do something different.

Avram: Yeah, there were so many little moments. I’m sure that you had to choose the opposite of your instinct. Can you pick out another thing that might have happened early on with us where your instinct was telling you one thing maybe scaring you away and you had to lean forward instead.

Rachel: All the time. I mean, I had this daily mantra. And that was, you know, Avram would show love to me in just simple ways or going over to his parents’ house and seeing how beautiful it was in Corrales, this huge house, this wonderful backyard and just this, this way of living. And it, it was easy for them. And I remember just feeling the love from them and from you and the acceptance and that you saw my value and I had this mantra going on because I knew that I could chase all of you away by my not receiving all the things that you could give me.

The mantra was, I can receive this, that by me saying I can receive this. I did not need to quantify judge it, know how it was possible. None of the things, I didn’t need to know anything about it to let it land. So basically that was me saying, I’m willing to receive all of this stuff even though it’s very uncomfortable for me, even though I don’t feel worthy of it, even though.

I’m in my head maybe thinking, I don’t know that I’ll ever feel worthy of this, but I’m gonna try my hardest to just be present and enjoy it.

Avram: You found yourself, if I had to put words to it, you found yourself bumping into your upper limits.

Rachel: Oh my gosh.

Avram: maybe shared the reference to The Big Leap by Gay Hendricks. We’ll put that in the show notes. If you go to babiesandbiz.com/101, it’s the number of this episode. We’ll link other resources and things we’ve mentioned there in the show notes, Big Leap talks about the upper limit.

Rachel: Yeah.

Avram: And if you can think of, you can probably think of any example in, in your life where you felt like you were reaching your threshold for what you could handle, right? So you reach a certain level of stress, or you’re very, very tired and worn out, or you’re just so angry you don’t know, you could be any more angry.

Rachel: Or too much money in your bank account,

Avram: This is a big one, right? I think we’ve all experienced you have a windfall of cash and then the car breaks down. Right. It’s like, it’s like just, you know, cause and effect instantaneous creation

Rachel: yes.

Avram: and you know that phenomenon is real and true for everybody. I’ll make a simple, very simple example of what we’re talking about here.

So what Rachel did was she was willing to embody a totally different energy and mindset first.

Rachel: Yeah,

Avram: And then as she was confronted with things that made her very uncomfortable, she chose to do them anyway.

Rachel: and I chose to be in the conscious of like, I am consciously doing this instead of letting the unconscious run the show,

Avram: Right. So you stopped reacting to everything and you started like leaning into it

Rachel: right?

Avram: I think about a really easy example would be if you could think of somebody who has a goal of getting fit, let’s just say cardiovascular fitness. You know, the ability to be able to like go from being a couch potato to running a mile without stopping.

Okay? You envision that person going out to start exercising. And as soon as they get to the point where they’re gonna break a sweat, they say, I’m, I’m done. I don’t, I don’t like this. And you’re like, what’s wrong? What’s going on? I, I just don’t, like, I, I feel sweaty and sticky. I don’t, I don’t like this.

Well, every single area in your life is like that sweatiness, right? So if you think about the person, they get to the point where they sweat and then they, they quit.

Rachel: Yeah.

Avram: So if you think about that and, and getting the cardiovascular fitness to go from couch potato to running a mile, you’re gonna have to break a sweat.

Rachel: Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, that’s serious.

Avram: You need to train.

Rachel: That’s a really big flip of where you are to where you want to be.

Avram: Yeah, you’re going to have to break a sweat. And so in this example, this person will only ever receive. The reward of getting to the point of where they break a sweat

Rachel: Right. And that’s probably right before they’re gonna experience some

Avram: some breakthroughs. Right? Because right on the other side of that uncomfortability is where all the transformation, all the reward is hanging out.

Rachel: On the other side of where you thought your limit was.

Avram: That’s right. I remember when Rachel first started working out, I would make fun of her. She wouldn’t sweat. Right. You know, and she’d be like, I,

Rachel: I just don’t sweat.

Avram: I wear my heart rate monitor and, you know, I don’t ever get into the orange zone at Orangetheory, you know, and this and that.

And I was like, yeah, but like, have you cranked the incline? Have you like walked as fast as Rachel V you know, to other gal in her class who power walks at light speed? You know, it is like, I guarantee you, your heart rate will go up and you’re like, but it feels like it’ll explode. I’m like, you will be okay.

I remember the first time that you really went for it. You were like, I’m okay.

Rachel: I remember, I think it was the 12 minute mile, maybe

Avram: The 12 minute run for distance

Rachel: the, 12 minute run for distance was a huge breakthrough for me. I actually cried after I crossed that finish line. The timed finish line. Yeah. And the thing that came up for me was. Whoa, I did that. My body is capable of that. So all of my life I had been taught to be mentally tough, but not physically tough.

Yeah. We did things around the farm. We had pigs and cows and I milked a goat and we had a, a, a,
a, what was it, a garden. And then, it was turned into child labor and I worked for my dad’s business, earning money for our family at the age of eight. But so I, I knew what that was, but I’d never known what physical fitness was.

I was mentally tough. I would say that I’m very mentally tough, that I can really change things. I taught myself how to read and I found somebody that treats me the way that I treat people and better. And when I was on that tread, I just remember thinking, I never thought this was possible for me.

Avram: Mm-hmm.

Rachel: Because I think my, the thing that I had thought my identity was around fitness was, well, I’m not fat, so I’m, am I in shape or outta shape? I, I was raised to think that working out was only for fat people. Basically, you get into shape, working out is getting back into shape. It’s not staying in shape, it’s not building muscle, it’s not all these things.

So there was a lot of things that I was bumping up against.

Avram: I wanna touch on something that you shared. You didn’t have the perspective of what fitness really was.

Rachel: Correct.

Avram: you had no idea what you’re capable of,

Rachel: no idea what the limit was

Avram: so, so you just had a whole bunch of ideas about what it was and what it wasn’t, which made you a very small person in regards to how you showed up.

Rachel: absolutely.

Avram: We talked about you being an Olympian a couple episodes ago.

Rachel: Yep.

Avram: Right? Big difference. What you experienced was somebody like me with a different perspective.

Rachel: Oh yeah.

Avram: I have already crossed that line. I had already sweat.

Rachel: Oh yeah,

Avram: To look and turn around and say, look, you’re gonna be okay and you can do this. And I have watched how you shown up before and I gave you a target.

I was like, look, if you run

Rachel: oh yeah.

Avram: five miles an hour, you’ll do a whole mile in that time. And you were like, I have never done that.

Rachel: Right. But I think I can, and you were sure that I could.

Avram: you can definitely do it. And then he went and did it. Right. And so what you were, what you decided was, you said. I am willing to show up different today, play all out, and go beyond what I think is possible.

Yes. Just to see what could happen.

Rachel: Yep. Absolutely.

Avram: Right. And fitness is such an easy example of this. When we look at things that are maybe like a little bit more sensitive for folks like money or success? Where are all the places in your life where you’ve come up against your boundaries and said, well, it works for them, but it doesn’t work for me. I can’t do that

Rachel: Yeah

Avram: You know, like, I can’t possibly work more right now. Uh, you know, there’s a lot of, I can’t and I won’t. And a lot of reasons, right, that we choose not to step forward.

Rachel: sure.

Avram: And I think that the, the biggest thing that I’ve learned is that on the other side of the uncomfortability is where all the transformation is,

Rachel: A thousand percent. Absolutely. There are some viewpoints that were dashed from my childhood by getting a job and being able to pay my bills. So I was raised to believe that I would never be able to take care of myself. And when I got my first job, those beliefs, those those things that I was told we’re dashed, completely dashed because I realized just how easy it is to get and keep a job and make more money. Work overtime, get a second job, get a third job, move somewhere that you don’t even know anybody, start something new.

Avram: Was any of that easy.

Rachel: No,

Avram: Uh, another question. Did it require more of you than you had before?

Rachel: absolutely.

Avram: Did it require more energy from you?

Rachel: Absolutely.

Avram: Did it require more time from you?

Rachel: Absolutely.

Avram: Did a lot of ’em require more money from you?

Rachel: Yes.

Avram: So what you’re saying is previous to each of your breakthroughs, you were unwilling to devote parts of yourself and resources that you maybe didn’t think you had in order to get it.

Rachel: Yes. There were so many assumptions and judgments that I had prior to my previous breakthroughs. And then once the thing happened and I saw, oh my gosh, it’s easy to get a job. It, it’s this, it’s that. I remember filling out my first job application and being confronted with the fact that my dad told me that we had a high school diploma that, you know, in New Mexico you can set up your own high school thing and you can be the principal. And that’s what dad did and, and they had this high school diploma for us, but it didn’t mean shit. I didn’t know all the things that maybe I wanted to know from high school.

So I put myself in high school online when I realized that that wasn’t my choice. And I’m here filling out my first job application and I am being confronted with the question, do I answer it the way my dad told me to answer it? Yes, I have a high school diploma, or no, I don’t have education. I was confronted with that and I didn’t know how to fill that out.

And I felt a lot of stuff come up for me when I was filling out that job application, because women shouldn’t get jobs. Women should take care of their family and have children and be a wife and a mother, and that is all that they’re worth in life. So I came up against all of these things, getting my first job in Montana.

Avram: Yeah. Would you say that, uh, you were given a fair chance in life?

Rachel: No,

Avram: So it’s not about fairness, right? Success is not about fairness. It’s about where you started,

Rachel: Absolutely not.

Avram: right? See, that’s the thing is some folks are like, well, I can’t have that because of my circumstance

Rachel: Sure. Or where I came from.

Avram: or any number of reasons, but like most of life is not fair, right?

And the thing is, is like you get what you get and you have to do something with it. If you want more.

Rachel: absolutely.

Avram: And I think this is your call listening now, that if there’s something that you want that you still don’t have, it is, it is going to require more of you and you have it inside of you

Rachel: Yeah. You just have to be fed up enough with the reality that you are in to even entertain the fact that if you changed something up, you would change your stars.

Avram: right away.

Rachel: Immediately. I saw results from my change back in 2018 when I moved back to New Mexico. Instantaneously when I made that decision to make opposite decisions instead of following my gut or my intuition.

Avram: It’s magical. You know, if you think back on your life, anytime that something major changed, it was on the back of a decision that you made.

Rachel: Yeah, absolutely. And a decision that I am not happy with where I am. I am, I’m not happy being fat. I’m not happy being, um, abused. I’m not happy with the, uh, never having money. I’m not happy with just scraping by. Whatever those things are that you’re willing to say I’m not happy with. And you require more from the universe, from yourself, and you’re willing to do whatever it takes.

That’s where change happens because I learned how to read because I said I’m gonna do whatever it takes. It means that if my siblings are in the pool swimming, I hav
e found a book to read, or I have found some kind of manuscript or some something that my mom had provided for us and I was studying and I would try to rope my siblings in, my younger siblings and I would quiz them and, and they could quiz me and, and we could work back and forth and, and learn.

But that was me being willing to say, I’m going to read, I’m going to learn how to read and I’m gonna do it myself because no one is teaching me.

Avram: Yeah, there’s a lot we could share about this.

Rachel: Yeah.

Avram: I think one of the things that I want to leave you with is. Some folks can be like, this is a riddle. This is a riddle. I have more questions than answers. It’s kinda the purpose. Willingness is less of an action and more of an energy. Let me give you an example.

If you think about a bully who does a bully, bully, they always find the kids who won’t fight back.

Rachel: Yeah,

Avram: They always find the kids who will sit down and take it.

Rachel: true.

Avram: And the way to stop a bully is to be willing to be just as much or a bigger bully than them. Those kids don’t get picked on. Right. So it’s not about turning around and beating them up.

Right, because they can sense it. don’t even need to see an action most of the times demonstrated, they just don’t clue into that

Rachel: Mm

Avram: because they’re carrying a certain energy. Now, I know this might just bring up stuff for people like, so you’re saying that like victims attract it

Rachel: oh, kind of.

Avram: Kind of. Let’s just say that they are being a certain energy that makes it easy for folks to prey on them. It’s because inside of them they are not willing to be and match that same energy, that same intensity. So do you need to become a bully in order to stop them from bullying you? No. But you need to be willing to be it.

Rachel: Yeah.

Avram: So that which you are unwilling to be will control you

Rachel: Yes.

Avram: like the sweater, right? You don’t wanna break that sweat. That’s gonna control the rest of the outcomes for your fitness. You don’t want to do X, Y, and Z when it comes to your finances and you’ve written these rules in place that’s gonna control your upward trajectory forever.

Rachel: You don’t wanna get divorced from the husband that is beating you and denying children. You’ll be miserable

Avram: You’ll be stuck there

Rachel: and you’re gonna continue getting beaten, and you’re gonna continue thinking that you deserve it because that was me. Everything that you need to achieve more and better and greater things in your life, you have within yourself.

Avram: you do, and there’s these critical moments in your life that come up like Rachel shared today that are the inspiration for a new change and a new future in you. The question is like, will you rise up to meet it?

Rachel: Will you say yes to the invitation?

Avram: Because that’s, that’s all you got to do

Rachel: and go on the ride.

Avram: You just have to say yes and then just keep showing

Rachel: Yep.

Avram: Tell yourself I can receive this. I can definitely do it. You don’t have to see the whole path to do it, you just gotta take the first step

Rachel: the first step is what gets you on the path.

Avram: That’s it. We’re charged up about this. We’re really fired up, right? Because we’ve been seeing so much shift and change in our life and we’re sharing on the podcast, because if it helped us, it can probably help you and it could probably help another friend too. So one of the things we’re gonna also include in the show notes in today’s episode, if you go to babiesandbiz.com/101, there’s a link for you to sign up and attend the Genesis event that we attended back in May.

Rachel: Yes.

Avram: And you can have some of what we’re having and as I’ve shared in previous episodes, we, we receive no compensation. There’s no incentivization

Rachel: No way

Avram: for us to share this with you other than we want what is possible for you, and if you can have just a small part of the, the joy and the transformation that we’re experiencing, we will feel complete in our recommendation of this program.

Rachel: Absolutely. It has truly transformed everything about the way that I look at the world. Have I created change in my life previous to this? Yes. But this is going to create change in light speed for me, because of what it is changing about how I see and show up in the world.

Avram: Yeah, so we invite you into that change to come along with us. We appreciate you for listening to the podcast. I think by the time this one airs, we’ll probably be back. I think we’ll be back from, a week long retreat that we decided to, to sign up for on the back of the Genesis experience.

We’re going to this Ecstasis event, we can’t wait to share more stuff with you there. Because I think when we shift our mindsets, we embody more. We become an invitation to the rest of the world to do the same. And I think if there’s something that we all need right now, it’s some hope.

Rachel: Yeah.

Avram: some inspiration and some transformation to live the lives that we came here to live and more.

Rachel: Absolutely.

Avram: that being said, we appreciate you for listening. Bye bye for now.

Rachel: Bye for now.