Avram and Rachel are talking about a change that made a big difference in their marriage, family, and business. It wasn’t another late night out or a fancy dinner. Instead, they found a new way to connect that gave them more energy and more time together: Day Dates. 

In this episode of the Babies and Business Podcast, they share how this simple shift helped them feel closer and more refreshed. If date nights leave you drained, this one’s for you.

Show Notes

Key Highlights from this Episode:

• Avram and Rachel talk about moving into a new home and how life with toddlers still feels like “living out of boxes.” 
• Why weekly date nights with a nanny worked for a season but eventually left them drained.
• How they shifted to Day Dates after dropping their kids at Montessori.
• Their new Friday routine: an Orangetheory workout, brunch together, and slower mornings.
• The surprising truth: Day Dates gave them more connection and energy than date nights ever did.
• Why forcing themselves to stay out late often felt exhausting and unfulfilling.
• The joy of sharing simple things like workouts, meals, and uninterrupted conversation.
• How slowing down on Fridays helps them recharge for business and family.
• Why Day Dates feel like the real “rest day” that weekends with toddlers can’t provide.
• The bigger lesson: you don’t need to follow the old rules for connection. Find what actually fills you up.
• A reminder from Rachel: “You are not creating oxygen.” The work can wait; your marriage and family need your energy first.

Mentions & Resources

Orange Theory Fitness – A group fitness program that combines cardio and strength training in a high-intensity interval format. Avram and Rachel mention attending Friday morning classes together as part of their Day Date routine.

Adrian Dorison – Business strategist and co-founder of Run Like Clockwork. Rachel references Adrian’s quote, “You are not creating oxygen,” as a reminder that work can wait and prioritizing rest helps you show up better for family and business.

Episode Transcription

Below you will find a transcript of this entire podcast episode. Enjoy!

 

Avram: Ah, we’re chilling in bed right now.

Rachel: Because this is the least echoey

Avram: Uhhuh. Yeah,

Rachel: can be room in the house. I think we had this discussion last time where we recorded here.

Avram: perhaps that was the case. Yeah, we still don’t have the office fully set up the move was intense

Rachel: Wait, what? We don’t have everything set up yet.

Avram: Might still be living out of boxes a little bit here and there. Yeah, moving with toddlers was a lot harder than I expected it to be. 

Rachel: massively.

Avram: In any case, we are literally chilling in bed. Today’s a day date,

Rachel: Mm-hmm.

Avram: which we’re excited to share with you about because we, we used to be pretty religious about date night.

Rachel: Yeah. For like a year with our nanny. She came over in the evenings and we had, a weekly date night for the most part, here and there. She took off time and that cut into that time ’cause it was a Friday that she’d take off or something like that. So for the most part, we had a date night.

Avram: Yeah. And then when she, went back to school, it was just too hard to, you know, maintain both schedules and so we didn’t go out and find a new babysitter.

Rachel: And that was in June?

Avram: In June. But what we started to do instead, we might have shared this on one of the podcasts, uh, when our second child started attending Montessori with our 3-year-old

Rachel: Yeah.

Avram: that day, we changed it up.

Rachel: Yes, we did. And we actually haven’t gone back since changing it up

Avram: Yep. So we drop our boys off around eight o’clock in the morning and there happens to be an 8:30 class at Orangetheory right down the street that we just started hopping on over to.

Rachel: And we go together and that is a new thing because prior to that, with the nanny and having her taking care of our children during the day. That schedule didn’t actually afford us the opportunity of going to the gym together.

Filler: Never.

Rachel: Not often. Like we had to make a point of getting additional babysitting.

Your parents watching them or something?

Avram: Usually my parents. Yeah.

Rachel: But it was always above and beyond everything else to get to even just one class together.

Avram: Yeah, it was like, oh my gosh. All this effort just to get to a class together. No, thank you.

Rachel: Yeah. But we really enjoy going together and we just enjoy doing things together. So we drop the boys off on Friday, we go over and we go to Orangetheory together, and we’ve been doing that since the first week in July.

Avram: Yeah, and just go have a nice little, brunch after that

Rachel: Yep.

Avram: and then mosey on back into the office. And, uh, it’s been really amazing. One of the things we realized, sort of like silly in hindsight.

Rachel: Yeah.

Avram: We realized like when Fridays were coming around, so we were committed to, to date night

Rachel: Mm-hmm.

Avram: period. ‘Cause you need that time

Rachel: Yeah,

Avram: as parents and uh, and spouses ’cause like where else are you gonna carve it in?

Rachel: exactly.

Avram: But we were both secretly rallying our energy on Fridays just to go out.

Rachel: Oh yeah.

Avram: You know, of course we would admit from time to time, I am really wrecked. After this week it, this is an effort for me to go, like, let’s, let’s go.

Okay, let’s go. You know? And we would go out, we would have a nice meal together, try a different place around town, and then we’d be sitting there like staring at each other. It’s like eight o’clock, 8:15. We’re like, you wanna go home?

Rachel: And it was so easy to say yes.

Avram: And so we just like come home and really what we wanted to do was, at that point was just, just kind of veg and hang out, you know, like read a book, watch a movie, play some games. Actually, there was no, no energy to even play a game. 

Rachel: Correct, which is kind of depressing because we, as if you’ve followed us and you’ve seen some of our Instagram stuff, that we have 11 boxes of games. It’s not because we like to collect games and have them on a shelf,

Avram: we like to play them

Rachel: it is because we like to play them. And as we were putting those in the boxes, I was looking at them and like, oh, hello friend, that I’ve never met.

Avram: I haven’t seen you in a while

Rachel: I would look at this game and think, I’ve never played you, but I want to. And they’re only a handful of them that we haven’t played. Uh, but it’s just because we didn’t have the space. But also, a table that would contain a game underneath and you put another board over top and then you can have a meal at it, you know, that would be a game changer for us.

Totally off topic but,

Avram: yeah, so it’s just interesting though to see how it evolved and, and we have now changed it up to do something that fits better for us. And I feel like I get so much more out of day date than we were getting out of date night.

Rachel: Yeah.

Avram: Uh, I know what kind of killed us for a little while, like mentally was okay, now we’re, we’re cutting into like what would normally be work time to go do this.

You know, but what we, you know, I know what I came around to was this fuels me up.

Rachel: Mm-hmm.

Avram: To then come back in on Friday or next Monday and just really crush it.

Rachel: Absolutely. Well, and I also feel like, during the week we’re working, we’re doing all the things that are coming up, and we’re doing all of the things that help move our business forward and all the things for the clients. But come Friday we have chosen to take a little bit different approach and make it more of a slow day.

Um, and I just, I love the feeling of. Kind of catching my breath, just taking that easy. And having it be that rest day because that’s what I need. That’s what I’ve found is wonderful about the day date is that, it’s an invitation to me to maybe slow down.

Avram: Mm-hmm.

Rachel: And it’s this one day where we don’t come right back and race to take a shower and race to get breakfast made and race to get to the, work that we have.

Um, it’s a totally different pace and I think it’s just in general an invitation to reevaluate what we think we have to do, like what our definition of a date might be. What is that? Well, I’ve found a lot of enjoyment from going to the gym with you. And having breakfast with you.

Avram: So simple.

Rachel: and just taking the time.

And often we don’t get to, to like work, if you will, sitting down and doing the thing until like noon.

Avram: 11 noon. Today’s noon, it’s almost 12:30, something like that.

Rachel: Yeah. And sometimes we’re planning out our podcast, like today. It was kind of a working date. We joked about that.

Avram: Yeah. Yeah.

Rachel: That we were talking about the topics and the outlines.

Avram: And we just

Rachel: Things, but it, it’s,

Avram: we’d do that.

Rachel: It’s an enjoyable thing because what are we talking about in these podcasts? We’re talking about things that have helped us, different frame of mind, doing things differently, questioning what we’re doing, and I just feel like that that’s kind of what we talk about on our dates anyway,

Avram: Goodness,

Rachel: and when we’re together.

Avram: Welcome to our Day Date. You mentioned rest, which we were also laughing about in the car on the way here. It’s like, you know when you have toddlers, the weekend is not a rest.

Rachel: No. No, no, no, no, no 

Avram: No. weekend is kind of balls to the walls. So day date and taking this time and slowing it down really is the recharge day for us now.

And I think it’s like what we really wanted out of date night, but it was just set up in a way where we didn’t quite get to.

Rachel: I felt like it came too late.

Avram: We were just

Rachel: so, I felt like at the end of Friday I’m coming in crash landing and I have zero energy to say really much of anything to you on a date

Avram: Yeah,

Rachel: and date day has felt a little bit different. 

Avram: there’s the energy available to like really connect. And date night was like, we are doing our best to show up. And um, I think we were both wanting a little bit more.

Rachel: Yeah. Yeah. Very limited. It felt very limited and it felt like, you know, like you said, can we just go home? 

Avram: Didn’t have the energy to go, you know, Axe throwing or something. Right, right. Um, Yeah.

Rachel: I think really it’s, it’s us recognizing that we wanted something different, and it was just from doing it that one time that we’re like, oh, let’s keep doing that

Avram: Mm-hmm.

Rachel: That was great.

Avram: And we accidentally stumbled into something that was more meaningful and more fulfilling

Rachel: Yeah.

Avram: than just going out and getting dinner.

Rachel: Yeah. And it really made a difference for me. I feel like I’m more connected with you to you throughout the week. And I think that’s the point in a relationship is to have those touch points, but then have that time where instead of the toddler in the back seat saying, don’t talk while we’re having a conversation in the car on the way home from school

Avram: Mm-hmm.

Rachel: We get to have the conversations not be interrupted, have full train of thought carried out, and that’s a beautiful thing. If you know if you know, you know.

Avram: So I think if you have a buddy that’s been sort of anguishing over a date night and complaining about how tired they and their spouse have been after a long week in the business. Maybe send them this episode of the Babies and Business Podcast just to offer up a different possibility. ’cause you know the work can always wait.

Rachel: Yeah,

Avram: Even if you think it can’t, it can. And um, there’s nothing that will extend the longevity of your business and your family than taking something like a day date and time to recharge. Hard to find the time right with everything going on, but, uh, you can carve it out and this is just one of those possibilities to try out.

Rachel: And if you need a mantra to support you in doing that or even thinking that it might be possible, it is. You are not creating oxygen. I love that quote from Adrian Dorson that no matter how important we think the tasks are,

Avram: how urgent it feels

Rachel: or how urgent it is. Maybe we are all, we’re in the, all of the shoulds instead of what serves you?

What fills you up? If we’re honest about it, how do we show up best in business and with our family? It’s when we do have that rest and recharge. You know, when you don’t sleep well, you don’t show up well. And so I feel like a date night or a date day, whatever’s working for you that, uh, those are non-negotiable ’cause we’re the ones that really move our business and our family forward.

Avram: True. It’s true. So with that, we appreciate you for listening in to the Babies and Business Podcast. We’ll catch you on the next one.

Rachel: Bye for now.