In this episode of the B&B Podcast, Avram is joined by Kris Britton, a business and life coach dedicated to helping women over 35 balance their lives and relationships without burnout. Their conversation revolves around the challenges and changes that come with becoming a mother, specifically in relation to maintaining one’s ambitions and running a business. Kris outlines the importance of understanding one’s feminine essence and how it can transform their life and business. She shares practical advice on how to maintain balance, avoid burnout, and embrace change, especially for those women who feel they are leaning too heavily into masculine-style leadership. Kris also provides insight into how dynamics within relationships can change and improve over time, specifically relating to her personal experiences with her husband, Ryan.

Show Notes

[05:30] How to handle the pull between two worlds

[09:23] Can relationship dynamics actually change?

[16:51] Tips for mompreneurs to avoid burnout

[21:35] Why ‘not having time’ is an intimacy issue

[23:15] Bringing structure to feminine flow (and what that looks like in practice)

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Mentions & Resources

Journal Prompts To Restore Your Feminine Essence!

Connect with Kris on Instagram 

Rachel Cruze  

Dave Ramsey 

Tao te Ching

Episode Transcription

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Avram Gonzales: ​All right. Welcome back to the Babies and Business podcast. It’s Avram Gonzales here with a fabulous, different co host today than you might be used to. I’m joined by Kris Britton. She’s here with us on the podcast today. Kris, welcome.

Kris Britton: Hi Avram. It’s so great to be here. Thank you for having me.

Avram Gonzales: Yeah, we get to connect. Kris and I have been connecting digitally for a decade, over a decade at this point. I don’t, have we ever had a conversation like this?

Kris Britton: No, and I can’t, that breaks my heart. Actually. No, we haven’t.

Avram Gonzales: I think it’s mostly just because I have such a big man crush on your studly, stud husband, Ryan, who was on here a couple weeks ago. And, uh, he’s just been getting a lot of my attention, but I don’t want you to feel left out. I, uh, we’ve been talking before the podcast here. Kris has got some great information for you here today around the like the push pull and like the slowing down to speed up of motherhood entrepreneurship, you know, do your ambitions take a little bit of a back seat when you have a baby, how do you deal with that? Um, we’re going to get into all of it. I’m excited. 

Kris Britton: I just have say Ryan has the same equal man crush to you too.

Avram Gonzales: Feel it. I feel it. The bro, the bro love transcends the digital airwaves. So really quick here, really quick here, Kris is a business and life coach with a deep understanding of the transformative power of embracing one’s feminine essence. Kris is dedicated to helping women over 35 find balance, restore their relationships, and achieve success without burnout.

Her journey of rediscovery and her commitment to empowering others make her a source of inspiration and guidance in the pursuit of a softer, more fulfilling life. Mmmmmm., Man, that just feels great saying it out loud because it’s such a perfect match for all the reasons that I wanted to have you on today.

I think a great place to start, if you’re willing, is to tell us a little bit about what life was like right before you became a mom, and then some of the big changes. That occurred with your, your purpose and your ambition um, as a result of having more in your life.

Kris Britton: Yeah, so I was 39. We, you, we have this running joke. Ryan and I have been together for 23 years, married for five, we, had our first daughter, Noa, when I was 39. And so at the time, looking back, I’m like, man, I thought that was like the thing to do, is you gotta, you know, crush your business first.

Work through your own stuff. This is the story I was telling myself because I had this, I had a deep fear, I had a fear of Raising a child. And so it took me, when, when Ryan and I started doing the work on masculine and feminine, because, you know, we run business together also. This brought this whole awakening to me of where I was feeling like I was too controlling, I was restrictive. And so as soon as I started opening up to that, we got engaged, got married, and then got pregnant right away I felt like everything is in alignment. I am. I am good. You know, business is flowing. My health is great. Like all my, I was working out, Avram, I was working out like all, I was, doing all the things right. And then all of a sudden, I mean we had, we had Noa in 2020. The world flipped upside down and I just, I was like, who am I? Who, who am I? I’m not on, not on back to back calls. I’m not promoting my coaching. I, I now have this little life that I’m providing for, and I’m like, what is this? And at the time, because there’s all this other emotion and chaos going on, I was like, whoa. It felt like, I kept saying it felt like I was in this, this bubble that I couldn’t pop out of. Like I, I wasn’t the old me anymore, but I’m also not too sure who this new me is, it was a wobble for a while. For a long while. The first two years of No a’s life, I didn’t really work, and so she’s three now.

So I just started doing more work in the last year.

Avram Gonzales: Okay. I had the dog barking in the background. I was like, don’t want to cut you off. She’s like, what is dog loves the recordings. Yeah. So everything, everything changed. You didn’t have the same day to day routine. Um, Well, why don’t you talk about that a little bit? Because you went, you went from having a very full schedule with work and then, you know, you’re making this decision. We made a similar decision in our home. We want to be home with our child. And we want to be there for all of the early moments and that’s probably going to happen till they’re like three or four and maybe they go into preschool or something like that. So, how did you deal with the transition, especially once you started getting your footing, the pull between the two worlds. Can you talk to me about that?

Kris Britton: Yeah, it is an interesting space. You know, society tells us, especially as women, this is my, my big work in the world is. Um, you know, because we have Noa home with us. That is a big, that is our number one value as a family, is that we are home together. I know who’s, who’s raising her? It’s me, Ryan, my mom ’cause my mom will watch her. So we’re blessed to have someone in to, to support us. But also society is telling us as women that you know, you, you basically, you need to suit up and you need to crush this world. As you know, a masculine man would like conquering everything, and so I I face this duality of my soul. My knowing is calling me to be in softness in a slower life. Raising her during these first couple years of her life, and I beat myself up. I, I thought, like I would say to Ryan with tears, I’m losing my edge. People are gonna forget about me. I’ll never be, you know, who I was before and I had to look at, why is that important? What is my role now? I just thought I was, we were gonna have, we were gonna have a baby and my life was gonna continue on the way it was, is honestly what I thought, like. It’s fine. She’ll be home with us. I didn’t understand that there, there’s needs she’s, she’s needing her, you know, from, especially our daughter.

She’s very sensitive and, um, she needs me there with her. So this identity shift cause me to actually give myself permission to lean back. And this is a really important thing I think most women get to remember, is if your core essence is Feminine and feeling like nourishment and softness. And you know, even when you read the bio, when you said the word softness, I was like, oh yeah, that is so, that is so good. And that’s what we’re aching for, right, deep down. And so these pressures of what society puts on us, I had to. I had to let go and I, I was leaning back instead of leaning in. When I lean in, that means I want to control, I want to, you know, I’m gonna get this done, come hell or high water, and I’m gonna push, you know, I’ll push her needs aside and this, this is my own personal stuff.

I’m not saying this is gonna be right for everybody, but my leaning back, allowed me to surrender more and it allowed me to slow down to what I actually needed that space and time to to explore. And then all of a sudden, opportunities started coming in again when I was energetically ready and aligned and we had someone here that could support with Noa all of these, these opportunities that felt right and fit in to my schedule started to to come about. So I, I really learned that me forcing things and controlling, that’s what I learned in my relationship with Ryan. Why we didn’t get engaged sooner is because I was so controlling, you know, we had an issue with our commitment because of our dynamics. now I, again, I got to learn it in motherhood and how I get to integrate business with it. It’s beautiful. It’s a puzzle. It’s a big puzzle.

Avram Gonzales: It is, it is. And then you shift one thing and then a lot of other stuff shifts and you figure that whole piece out, I’d love for you to touch on the dynamic side of things because you have this whole entire part of your relationship that was, you know, pre marriage, uh, pre child, uh, before becoming parents.

And you said your dynamic was one way before, and now it’s shifting and becoming something different. A lot of people say, you know, they’ll say, well, people don’t change. You know, they just, so don’t try to change people. Well, yeah, but can dynamics in relationships change? And then what is required for that to actually occur?

Kris Britton: Yeah, this is a great question. So Ryan and I, like I said, we’ve been together for so long. We’ve also been growing business for so long together, and so I, I read all the, the books on how you do business, you know, you compete and you, I, that was me. I was trying to compete with Ryan. So what was happening, and we jokingly say we were in a sword fight.

It was like, I was like, you know, we were constantly. Um, fighting for power and that’s not what a a masculine identified person wants from their, their, their girlfriend, their wife. They don’t wanna be in competition. rather there gets to be a synergy. And I always, like, I refer to it like a battery we’re both equal.

And when I say masculine and feminine, I don’t want, you know, a lot of women will get up all in arms like, well, I’m just as powerful. Yes, but we’re actually wired differently, so we’re equal in value. We just show up differently, and we also get to create and do business and life differently. And so when Ryan and I started to understand that we didn’t need to compete. I actually could work on my own essence and my own gifts, meaning working on my radiance, my happiness, my magnetism. These are all gifts of the feminine. And what actually gets to happen is it enhances the home. My tone shifted, uh, my way I received income shifted because of I was working on how I was being, instead of how much I was doing. Yes, I still do, but first and foremost, it’s how does it feel? How, how am I gonna show up. Um, we learned to communicate properly instead of me, you know, delegating to him all the time thinking that’s what he wanted, we learned to communicate. And so if I trust that I’m in charge of my feelings and communication, I get to express to him, this is how I’m feeling. If I’m feeling neglected, if I’m feeling excited, if I’m feeling I need direction and I get to, my feelings are valid. And so we’re always constantly checking in with our needs and if they’re being met. And so from there, like everything started to shift because we were, you know, we were fighting for power together, and then we hit our income goal.

 And this is, you know, right when we, we met you, Avram, right? We hit this big income goal in our company and all of a sudden this is what we were striving for. And I looked at him and I said, I still don’t feel free. We have the financial freedom, we have the time freedom. And little did I know it was because I was operating out of, I was trying to be something I wasn’t. And the story always is, you know, well, it’s weak to be a woman. It’s weak to be in your feminine. You get nothing done. You’re then, you’re just home doing nothing. And that’s not true. It’s just we get to do it differently. And so all of a sudden my superpower ignited and then it shifted him as well, then we were creating from a totally different space and our relationship wasn’t just about the mechanics of business anymore. There was actually polarity back there again, which only inspired and opened up everything else like, like I said, got engaged, got married, had a baby. And here we are again, learn ing other lessons. So yes, things do shift. They can shift.

Avram Gonzales: They can shift. It, it actually sounds like to me, I know that you’ve had probably the realizations happening at the same time, both of you had different things that were coming to you, but it really sounds to me like you sort of led that in your willingness to change things up in the way that you were operating stepping back. Did that give him space to show up different? Is that what happened?

 Yes. You know, it’s, it was so funny, and, and we do talk about this in, in our programs and on podcasts and stuff, so I, yes, I was the one that shifted and changed. So I actually went and got support of a life coach way before Ryan and, you know, Ryan, and, and you met him, he was very focused and driven on, you know, personal development and just anything to be successful. And I was going to see my life coach to actually heal my wounds, And I remember coming home and I was telling him about this over dinner. We were, you know, in a, a condo at the time and, you know, barely making any money. And he said to me. Why, why would you even dig this stuff up? Like just get over it.

Kris Britton: And I felt so crushed that he wasn’t supportive. And I was like, oh my gosh. So I remember going back to my life coach and, and saying, you know, he doesn’t, he doesn’t approve, he doesn’t get it. Like, what do I do? And she kept saying, you keep doing your work. You keep doing your work and this is the thing.

You know, they say happy wife, happy life. The, the mom’s tone sets the mood of the home. So, yes, even though the masculine energy is like the leader, the driver, the provider, the feminine essence is actually the one that pulls everybody together. It’s the, it’s the nurturer. So by me doing this work, the most divine thing happened. ’cause at the time I was studying, you know, my own personal shadows that I was overcoming and I was reading a certain book and I had that book on the coffee table and something spoke to him to pick up that book and then it just took, everything took off for him. And now, you know, the work Ryan does today, it’s because of that, that book and that realization, that calling for him to pick it up. So even though I’m not like necessarily the one that leads the show around here, my embodiment on what I’m doing for myself, my happiness plays a role. My mood plays the role. What I’m studying and embodying totally does. It totally opens up everything. And Ryan will be the first to tell you that when I’m in a crappy mood, whole home’s feeling it

Avram Gonzales: Yeah, I, I can, I can relate to that. You know, I think that you set the culture for the entire home and you are nurturing that and bringing that together and making sure that it’s at the forefront. And then sometimes it ends up taking a backseat when we push too hard, we drive and then we sort of forget why we’re doing what we’re doing. What this is all for what it means to us. I think that’s just a really great example that you share because I know that there’s there are a lot of couples I think that do struggle with this dynamic because we have been so indoctrinated by the way of doing business in this reality.

What would you say are some tips or some things that would be helpful tools for women who maybe feel like they are leading like a little bit or leaning into heavily. Like, what are the signs that they are headed for burnout and then what can they do to lean back and release some of the control?

Kris Britton: So this, this is a fascinating question because I’ve done a lot of study around this and worked with thousands of women around this, and this is something everyone can go and research themselves. So as soon as a feminine woman is, is put into a more forceful action. Like, let’s say call cold calling or you know, even, I don’t know, doing, uh, coaching calls, right?

You are the one leading, so you are in the more of the, that masculine energy. What actually happens to us is it’s proven our cortisol and testosterone spike. Which is not the healthiest for us. So we’re seeing a lot of women today, unfortunately, facing ovarian cancer, breast cancer, different illnesses and diseases in the body because the hormones and the the frequency of our natures is is off. And so when I started to understand that, And again I’m not saying not to do anything, of course, we have ambitions and passions and we wanna run business, but I know today things are shifting so more women are understanding like, wait a second, I’m not feeling my best. Or they’re, they’re syncing their cycle with their work.

Like I know a lot of people that are tying that in together. And that’s important because you know, you as a man, you, your testosterone spikes every day. You’re gonna wake up, driven to go right. Where for us, we’re on a 28 day cycle, so we can’t feel driven all the time, however we’ve been programmed. We have to, now we force ourself now we’re depleted. And so unfortunately, like I said, diseases hormone imbalance, you know, for me, I was losing my hair. I was like, what the heck is going on? I could take all the supplements in the world, nothing was changing, and so I had to actually go into the roots of it. So that looks like, there’s so many gifts of the feminine and the, the ones that I really wanna touch on today that I think is gonna help the audience is understanding that we have a gift of receptivity. Are you receiving life, are you receiving, nourishment? Are you taking time for yourself to actually stop and receive the sun on your face? You know, the wind in your hair. It is all gonna lead to receiving love and cherishing from your partner and also income in your business and clients or whatever you’re creating. Opportunities, it’s, it’s endless when you’re in the practice of being open to receive. And then also your magnetism, I talk a lot about radiance. If you’re feeling dull and dim and kind of like Blah, it’s an indication that your, your radiance is off. And so if you’re, if you’re taking time and nourishing yourself to be in that radiance, your magnet is only going to enhance and attract that much more, right? And then also, if you play with the gift of desire, most of us have been shamed for desiring more. And so when I work with women, I’m like, well, what is it that you desire? And they’re like, Ooh, I don’t even know. And I’m like, wow, this is a red flag. If we don’t know, and trust me, I’ve been there. It’s like you feel like, Ooh, I can’t possibly explore that.

But when we actually cultivate that and go deeper, everything starts to ignite. Because we have, we have the ability to birth things, right? We’re birthing new, so our desires are for us. So these are really key, important pieces that I know. If we just started implementing these through the day, you would start to see massive shifts, not only in your wellness and your health. One of the big things I tell my clients, and I get a lot of kickback on this, is at the end of your work day, or at the end of the day that you are, you know, you’re mothering because that can be very forward moving, full energy is hang up your lady balls. Go take 30 minutes for yourself. You deserve it. And most women tell me, I don’t have time. Well, time is an intimacy issue. What they’re really telling me is I don’t wanna sit with these thoughts I haven’t processed in months, weeks, years, days. And we, we have to, we have to reconnect to our feelings. Not to say we need to buy into them or take off in them, but let them actually process so our vessel stays clean an d clear that that’s how we receive and how we’re magnetic.

Avram Gonzales: Wow, you said something that just really stood out to me and I couldn’t hear anything right after you said it. Time, not having time is an intimacy issue. Can you expand on that a little bit more? I don’t think I’ve ever heard anybody say that, but it made so much sense. 

Kris Britton: Yeah, so I actually learned this in sales. One of biggest objections is time and and, time is, from what I see across the board is this intimacy issue and it’s really, they don’t want, so if. Most women say, oh sure, yeah, I’ll take 30 minutes but they bring their phone or they bring, you know, I don’t know, something that’s gonna distract them a book or something. 

Avram Gonzales: Sure, yeah.

Kris Britton: Like, no, no, no. Take that 30 minutes to be with your, your body, yourself, with God, whoever you’re connecting with, just connect into it. And that’s when they’re like, they automatically think, well, it’s not worth it. Why would, I’m not gonna, I have to utilize my time better, but I think what most people don’t realize is, is being intimate and vulnerable, especially in, where we are today, is, is very important. And as a woman especially, to be intimate and vulnerable with how you’re feeling and your needs and your emotions is extremely important to have them move through. So the intimacy issue like I said, most women aren’t connected to their desire or their needs. They’ll never ask their partner for their, their needs to be met or vocalize it ’cause they don’t wanna put stress on him. And so now this becomes resentment and burden and all of it. These are all the things that you can look at at the end of your day. You know, is just to process. Oh, that’s interesting. Where did this come? That’s you being intimate. And so whenever a a time thing comes up, it’s not true. You do have the time, you have the time to sign up for, you know, invest and work with somebody. But when the time, it’s really saying, I don’t, I don’t really wanna look at myself.

Avram Gonzales: Man, that’s incredible. I love that. Never heard that before. Um, do you, do you add structure? Um, do you plan for some of the, the time that you’re gonna carve out to be able to sit in your feminine flow? Or is it more spontaneous? Or is it a mix of both?

Kris Britton: Yeah, I’d like to weave it through. So if business and calls and stuff like, I mean, I would, I would not do well if I didn’t have some structure. If we look at the feminine like. Like the water in a river, we have to have the river banks, which is the structure, the masculine, the, the, the doing. Right. But the way that that structure is gonna hold us, once it’s there, we’re okay, now we get to flow.

We get to create in the moment, we get to step outside when, when we are feeling a little depleted and trust that we can receive the sun and not thinking like, oh, that’s a waste of time. And so I need to have a plan like my, my week and everything planned out. But then through that I like to weave it in.

 I don’t work past two o’clock, like these are some of my structures because then I can fully be present with my family and do the things that are meaningful for our home. And so that allows me that space and that’s how I work well. I know some women are like, I just wanna flow with it. And I was that way. And then once I had Noa, I’m like I gotta shift things and I have to be adaptive and okay with that. That’s okay. Structure kind of freaks me out at times, but it does make me feel like I have a foundation that I get to now play upon and I can just, you know, flow and be creative without feeling like, it’s not gonna go anywhere or Yeah. You know, I, or, or I make excuses, so I do, I do have some structure for sure. 

Avram Gonzales: Yeah. It kind of reminds me of, of budgeting and something that, um, Rachel Cruz, Dave, Dave Ramsey’s daughter talks about. She, you know, she’s like very, you know, budgets are important. And I got to say, I was really resistant to budgets at first because it felt so restrictive. There was so much structure to it.

And she now talks about it in such a way that’s like, well, that structure is actually what gives you the freedom to just utilize that time that you set aside for yourself to do these things or, or to just be with the energy and with the different things that come up, uh, very, very sort of Tao kind of perspective I’m getting from what you’re sharing and in the water and flowing with things.

And it sounds like you’ve really looked at just how your family flows through the week. And just lining things up the best that you can. So that’s going to be smooth as possible when you know, you got that water just like bouncing off of the riverbanks. Um, but you know, eventually we just all make back to the source, right?

Kris Britton: Yep, that’s right. Exactly. That’s exactly it. And you know, if, if we actually look at the feminine essence itself, it doesn’t, it, it wants spontaneity, it wants passion, it wants to ha like, we wanna have fun, we wanna do these things. But also we know that if we wanna have an end result in business or how we’re running our family, that there has to be some of these, these things put in place that just are gonna keep us anchored there.

Avram Gonzales: Well, Kris, this, this time together has really blown by, I would love to make sure that our audience has the opportunity to connect with you. I know that you might even have a freebie for folks. Could you tell us, um, where people can connect with you and then what you got planned for everybody?

Kris Britton: Yea, so if you go, I, I left, I left a link for you guys. So if you go to, you know, Coffee with Kris, but the special link for you is where you can download the, it’s, it is my Feminine guide. And so if you really wanna go deeper into how, you know, if your core essence is feminine, how you can implement this into your life, if you’re looking for that softer, more connected way of living. Because I have so much connection and expertise in business, it does pull a lot of that forward so it takes the pressure off of you. So definitely download that and, and dive in. There’s some really great questions there just to cultivate it and help you see how you can, you can link it together.

Avram Gonzales: Very good. We will include that in the show notes. If you go over to the website, you can find all that stuff there. Uh, where can people connect with you on social media? Where’s the best spot?

Kris Britton: Oh, Instagram is great. If you send me a DM and you let me know what your takeaway was from this, this episode, I would love just to connect and hear. I get so many messages from women that are recognizing that know, they are on the stage, they’re heading to burnout, and it’s not what they’re, it’s coming at a cost, right? They’re creating business, but there’s a cost to it, and we don’t want that. We wanna make sure that you’re feeling fulfilled and open the whole way through and, and receiving that success. So definitely find me on Insta.

Avram Gonzales: Very good. That’s Kris, K R I S, underscore Britton, B R I T T O N. Again, we’ll put it in the show notes. We’re gonna wrap here with a few rapid fire questions. I think you’ll do better than your husband did, because he was, he was pre tty flustered. He felt like he needed a whole nother episode to answer some of these questions.

But, know, we’re gonna, we’re gonna challenge that a little bit. Alright? 

Kris Britton: Okay I’m ready. 

Avram Gonzales: Yeah. So first one I got for you, what’s a, what’s a topic that you’re mildly obsessed with right now that has nothing to do with your purpose or your work?

Kris Britton: Oooh, probably creating art. I actually wanna start learning pottery.

Avram Gonzales: Oh, very cool. Very cool. I got a friend I could connect you with. Okay. What’s something that recently made you smile?

Kris Britton: Oh, so my, uh, our daughter, she, she doesn’t, we don’t have cables, so she doesn’t watch tv but what she loves doing with me at night is watching Hallmark movies on YouTube. And last, last night, she looked at me and she said, mama, are you breaking up with me? I said, no. Like we play it out. We play the scenes out. I love it.

Avram Gonzales: That is so cute and funny. Oh man. So, uh, this leads into my next one. What is your current nighttime routine look like? That could include. That could be right after Noa goes to bed. It can include right before, up until you go to bed. What’s that look like?

Kris Britton: Well, in this stage of life, I definitely, I take my 30 minutes, I have my bath time. I come down, I watch the Hallmark movie with her for about 30 minutes, and then we’re, we’re like old people. We go to bed with her at like 9:30 or at 8:30, 9 o’clock. That’s it.

Avram Gonzales: That’s, that’s, uh, that’s parent life in the early days. That is, that is all right. Um, what is something that you’re working on personally?

Kris Britton: Hmm. Personally, I’m working on even surrendering deeper. You know, Ryan and I are going through another beautiful transition on, you know, what’s next for him and for I when it comes to creation in business. How I can be of support for him. You know, if it’s just my energy, so I’m still going and I’m still studying. Reading, you know, reading and studying and implementing. I said to him the other day, I said, what do you, where do you feel like I don’t respect you enough? And he was like, wow, thank you for asking, because I can keep continue learning and I love to hear from him, but if his needs aren’t being met, where can I get better?

So that’s something personally I am work on and going deeper and.

Avram Gonzales: I think that’s beautiful and it’s a testament to everything that you shared here today and those changing and shifting dynamics starting with an awareness, leading with a great question and giving the space to watch your partner unfold with that. Um, Kris, it’s been a joy to have you on here today.

Thank you so much for graciously giving us your time and sharing your wisdom. I hope you’ve enjoyed yourself. We certainly have enjoyed you. 

Kris Britton: I love it. 

Avram Gonzales: Yes, and with that, um, we’ll close it out. If you’ve got questions, reply to some of the stuff on the podcast. We’ve got all these great shorts that are coming out from this episode.

Make sure you connect with Kris. Go check out the show notes and check out her freebie. Get a download and then, and then DM her. Let her know what you got out of this, you know, we, we do this, this show, not for ourselves. It’s really for you and just sharing new ways that entrepreneurial parents can find their own way.

Hopefully there’s something you’ve got here from our chat today. Find us at BabiesAndBiz.Com also on social media @babiesandbizpod. Please subscribe. Leave us review on Apple iTunes if you haven’t yet. That would really help us reach more entrepreneurial parents who are trying to find their own way.

Thanks for joining us. That’s it for now.